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recorded live at this past alien Con in

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McClellan of the unknown broadcast and a

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media in general and the ever elusive

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enjoy obviously we're talking about UFOs

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and pop culture so hopefully you're in

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the right room I am Jason McClellan I

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recognize several of you from this

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weekend hopefully hopefully everybody's

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had fun I've had a blast here this is my

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different UFO conferences which are

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professional UFO researchers and

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journalists for you know about 10 years

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pop culture and that's really a lot of

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our interest because as part of we are

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UFOs and extraterrestrials and studying

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researching for themselves so that's our

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culture because everybody's interested

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in UFOs and extraterrestrials in some

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way or another and Hollywood has

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UFOs and extraterrestrials as a theme

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since the beginning of Hollywood it is

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very pervasive and you know this these

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culture and geek culture merging quite a

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bit you know these are very very

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mainstream topics so you know we both

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been on TV shows and and so written in

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magazines and written for media outlets

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pop culture is a big part of what we do

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and who we are so and obviously UFOs are

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too so we have been lucky and we love

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merging the two yeah yeah and I think

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the big misconception always with the

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UFO topic is when someone brings a story

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an abduction experience anything in

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saw that in a movie or they saw it on a

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TV show which is kind of what we're

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gonna be talking about today that that's

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not always the case that yeah this

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really is a chicken-and-egg sort of

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situation yeah so today we we're just

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gonna be very loose but we want to sort

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of focus on three different areas when

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looking at this topic from a pop culture

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perspective and that is looking at you

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know how does and how has Hollywood

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influenced our perception of UFOs and

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extraterrestrials also looking at how if

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and how UFO cases and in lore really UFO

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lore influenced Hollywood you know how

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much of what Hollywood creates has been

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influenced by real events and then third

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looking at the military and the

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government and do they and and if so to

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what extent do they have an influence

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over what we are presented in Hollywood

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so those are the things we're going to

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go over as we move through this so first

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we'll start with looking at Hollywood

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and influencing our perception you know

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of UFOs and aliens when we just

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mainstream public is asked you know all

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right here's a piece of paper here's a

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crayon draw me a UFO draw me an alien

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most people are gonna go with a flying

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saucer or a grey alien these big-headed

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things with big black wraparound eyes

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explain that to say well that's because

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movies where UFOs and ETS are the theme

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and so when we are picturing aliens and

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extra or extraterrestrials and UFOs

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we're thinking about what we saw and on

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the movies what we saw on TV that's

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clearly where we're getting that

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reference from but then look at the big

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movies in Hollywood the big TV shows and

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think about how they are actually

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portrayed when it comes down to it

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and the the spacecraft the

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extraterrestrial spacecraft are not your

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typical flying saucers they're not your

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typical grey aliens

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so who's kind of jumped through some of

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the movies right now to talk about that

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your favorite UFO movie but of course

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I think it's a fantastic UFO movie and a

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lot of that I mean we'll get into it

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more later but it's because of the

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research that went into this movie but

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Close Encounters is one that yes

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plays into what I just mentioned and

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that is the depiction of the grey alien

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this was really the first movie to

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portray that that that type of alien

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that alien image and yes it was a big

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film 19 1977 highly influential but

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still up to that point the grey alien

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Hollywood movie yeah I mean when I first

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think of the typical grey alien being it

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didn't come around until that cover

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have to wonder where were all these case

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reports of these grey aliens truly

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coming from what was the source and it

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Hollywood at this point right and so

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encounters later and some of the

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influence is there but yeah you've got

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your grey alien there but then look

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alien and a robot you know that

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alien et you've got this short dude with

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a potbelly and a wobbly head and long

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sausage fingers that are really scary

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looks like a raisin yeah yeah yeah and

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his ship was like a weird colander thing

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that was I don't know it looked a little

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wonky but flight of the navigator one of

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my favorite UFO movies looking at

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artificial intelligence really and a

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very bizarrely shaped metal structure as

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the craft the abyss something totally

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different from what we typically think

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of and what is typically presented as

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alien life just a water-based life-form

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Independence Day what is that really

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disgusting long head you know it's

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similar to to the xenomorph an alien

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alien you know what these extended

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skulls but not anything remotely close

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to you to a grey alien right avatar

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completely different and a lot of what's

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humanoid but as you see there are a lot

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of examples of something that's

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completely different and so I would

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venture to say the majority of the

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representations of extraterrestrials in

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movies are not even close to grey aliens

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it's not the image that you're seeing at

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alien con on every you know hat every

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poster every sound is not it's just

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simply not so we we really wanted to

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trace back to when did that really start

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to happen and what is Hollywood and

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influence on that or or vice-versa which

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for so long and you know we're more

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conscious of the things that are

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portrayed by TV and in in films and I

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don't know about you but the longer I've

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been in it you know it's it's fascinated

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me even more

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just the creativity it seems in coming

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up with new types of extraterrestrials

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new types of craft and in many cases

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they're not even closely related to the

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things that we hear in real cases in

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case reports yeah absolutely yeah and it

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goes both ways the complexity of these

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aliens is completely it's so alien to us

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that we don't even recognize it anymore

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well let's get into it well let's talk

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about the influence that some of these

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real cases may have had on Hollywood

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because I'd like to give credit to

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creative people I think there are some

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incredibly creative people in the world

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and they do come up with very creative

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and fantastic ideas on their own without

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outside influence with that being said I

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do think well transformers of course

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gotta throw transformers in there as an

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alien - robot trucks right alien trucks

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but there and we're seeing this more and

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more now creators are doing a better job

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at doing their research they're actually

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calling on and bringing in people who

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have done research on the topics that

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they want to do a show about and trying

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to get the details as close to real as

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possible

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so credit to them but we have to talk

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about Roswell and talking about this

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because Roswell is a pop-culture fixture

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and regardless of your personal opinion

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on what happened in Roswell that is a

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household name anybody really in the

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world hears that the name Roswell it's

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synonymous with UFO it's interesting

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though that although people know that

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Roswell had something to do with the UFO

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they're not necessarily familiar with

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any additional details beyond that we

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actually you know at conferences we are

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surprised we find out that even a lot of

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people don't they're not familiar with

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Roswell in even to the very basic detail

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that Roswell is in New Mexico you know I

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had somebody asked me or mentioned

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Roswell north

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that's an Arizona right No Roswell New

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Mexico so that's the very basics of it

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but just to brief I'm confident you guys

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know what Roswell is but Roswell just to

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give an overview in 1947 a craft or

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craft depending on who you talk to you

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crashed in the desert outside of Roswell

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New Mexico there was a strong military

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presence after that came recovered

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wreckage completely cleaned the site and

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issued a press release that announced

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that the Air Force had recovered a

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crashed flying saucer that came directly

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from the Air Force that wasn't some

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conspiracy theorists or some UFO nut

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that was the Air Force's press released

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they put out themselves

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claiming to have recovered a crashed

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flying saucer and that wasn't just a

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silly accident that came from some

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low-level person that came right from

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the top and then the following day

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damage control happened for whatever

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reason higher-ups swooped in shut it

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down issued a second press release

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saying oh just kidding we have no idea

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what we're talking about we recovered a

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weather balloon and that story has

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changed multiple times over the years

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with regards to or in in response to

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public outcry people digging into it so

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they've changed and modified the story

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over the years they eventually settled

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on the idea that or the story that this

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was project mogul there was a high

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altitude research balloon listening for

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nuclear detonations by evil bad guys in

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other countries there were claims of

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bodies recovered at this crash and the

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government's response to that which came

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in the 2000 sometime I don't remember

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when that last report was but their

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response to that was

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oh yeah just kidding there were bodies

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but they were crash-test dummies that we

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were using in these experiments and so

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people don't know the difference between

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crash test dummies and our own military

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you don't know the difference between a

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flying saucer and a weather balloon in

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which we were launching all the time

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yeah and these crash-test dummies were

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not created till about eight years after

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Roswell happened so there's a little

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tidbit for you as well but um yeah

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Roswell for us is like the preeminent

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case it's where we all started when it

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all sort of began a little bit earlier

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Kenneth Arnold flying saucer sighting

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but with roswell is where we and many

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other researchers believe the true

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cover-up began it's it's so much fun

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looking roswell there are a lot of

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people who have been researching UFOs

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for a long time they're bored of Roswell

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they're all enough with Roz what we've

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heard about Roswell move on nothing more

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to learn here get over it but Roswell is

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it continues to be important and

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fascinating to us number one because it

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is an important case number two there's

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still a lot of unanswered questions and

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number three this like Ryan said is the

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start of the whole the military covers

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up UFOs because they did in fact cover

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up this incident whatever it was they

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covered it up they swooped in they

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pushed everybody out they recovered

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everything they threatened people they

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completely changed the narrative of what

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happened and over the years changed

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their story multiple times so the whole

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UFO cover-up thing you know I have could

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go into a lot of stuff about that I

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don't don't think there's as much of a

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cover-up as many people believe but in

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this case there certainly did it and

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they did it to themselves you know by

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first saying that hey we have a flying

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saucer and then with with the cover-up

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so it didn't all start we UFO

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researchers and UFO believers get

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painted as as nut jobs you know things

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crazy people because they believe that

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the UFOs have UFOs that believe that the

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UFO are the Air Force and military

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cover-up UFO information that'll stem

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from the Air Force they did that to

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themselves can I add Jason to I mean in

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terms of pop culture three years after

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the Roswell event happened the first

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flying saucer film came out it was

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called the flying saucer and it involved

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a crashed flying saucer and the military

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going in retrieving it

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and pretty much doing a cover-up

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themselves so you have to wonder why

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this movie came out so soon after this

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event happened and why Hollywood got

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involved and latched on immediately to

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this whole flying saucer thing that was

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going on in the interesting really

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interesting thing with Roswell and pop

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culture is Roswell did an inter pop

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culture until the 80s

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Roswell essentially fell off the map you

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know it made news around the country and

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around the world news wires picked it up

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around the story it was front page news

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places that the Air Force recovered a

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flying saucer but it sort of just died

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it died until the 80s when UFO

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researchers notably Stanton Friedman

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went he caught wind of this story went

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and did a lot of digging did a lot of

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interviewing and was largely responsible

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for bringing this story back into the

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public light and it just took off from

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there and now we've had several TV shows

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called Roswell both fictitious and you

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know documentaries and so much again

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like you said just the name Razvi

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everyone automatically knows what it is

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no matter where you are in the world

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that's right so even just the reference

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it appears in so many shows so many

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movies have any of you been to Roswell

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you gone to the Roswell UFO festival

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that's fantastic it's such a weird and

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fascinating and fun place during the

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festival they do the festival every year

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around around fourth of July weekend

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whenever that happens and it just it

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takes over the the city I mean it's a

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very small city but at the downtown

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street is so much fun there they're lamp

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posts have little alien eyes on them the

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mcdonald's is a flying saucer yeah they

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get all into it it's it's a fun time

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I've had fun but it just shows what a

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pop culture icon it is I mean people

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come from all over the world just to go

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to that festival and I think some people

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are disappointed when they go to Roswell

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because there's really not that much

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there it's really in the middle of

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nowhere but it's it's a good time you

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should if you haven't you have to go to

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Roswell at least once then on area 51

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right I mean that's the other household

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name we've all known about area 51 the

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secretive military base where supposedly

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there could be extraterrestrials they

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are working willingly or not and

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recovered crashed flying saucers right

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it's one of those household names but

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again a lot of people in the general

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public don't know much about area 51

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even where it is it's in Nevada and we

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really didn't know about area 51

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until the late 80s when Bob Lazar a guy

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who claims that he worked at area 51

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started talking publicly about it and

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investigative journalist George Knapp in

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Las Vegas unless Las Vegas channel 8 ran

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the story with Bob Lazar and his

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testimony and that introduced the world

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to area 51 the military and the

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government firmly denied the existence

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of area 51 but that was the funny thing

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even up to 2013 I want to say I don't

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quote me but sometime in the yeah around

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that time period we finally got the

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official confirmation that oh yeah it

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does exist just kidding but at that time

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it was the most well known secret base

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because everybody in the world knew that

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area 51 was was there despite them

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saying no no it doesn't and I guarantee

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you

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once that got out and everyone now knows

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what area 51 is everything was swiftly

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moved to area 52

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wherever that would be right so area 51

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pops up in so many movies even movies

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directly related about area 51 to trying

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to break into area 51 there have been

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some interesting ones but that's another

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one that's geo games yeah yeah

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everything you can think of yeah that's

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right and there's actually a movie

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coming out in early December

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specifically about Bob Lazar and it's a

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new movie about Bob Lazar now just

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retelling his story it's spending time

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with Bob and looking at what Bob's doing

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now and sort of revisiting his story and

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the great thing about Bob is is very

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very controversial figure you know

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people either believe him or they don't

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but his stance has always been look I

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don't care if you believe me I'm just

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telling you what I know happened there

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believe me or don't I don't care

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just trying to get on with my life leave

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me alone and he's generally done that he

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hasn't tried to make any money off his

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story he's just a just a nerd he's in

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the best way possible he's just this

545
00:23:20,530 --> 00:23:17,840
science nerd

546
00:23:23,670 --> 00:23:20,540
he runs a nuclear supply shop or

547
00:23:27,220 --> 00:23:23,680
something that rocket jet powered cars

548
00:23:28,630 --> 00:23:27,230
Geiger counters and stuff yeah he's an

549
00:23:31,180 --> 00:23:28,640
interesting fellow but the movies coming

550
00:23:33,580 --> 00:23:31,190
out in early December it's and done by a

551
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:33,590
filmmaker named Jeremy Korbel so that's

552
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:35,450
gonna be gonna be good we've seen a

553
00:23:40,990 --> 00:23:37,970
little bit of it I'm excited for that so

554
00:23:43,330 --> 00:23:41,000
this is a fun case that I just want to

555
00:23:46,750 --> 00:23:43,340
sort of gloss over for you guys and this

556
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:46,760
is one that has had more influence than

557
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:51,170
a lot of films or a lot of instances I

558
00:23:56,890 --> 00:23:53,690
think than most because it influences a

559
00:24:02,980 --> 00:23:56,900
handful of very big movies so this case

560
00:24:05,470 --> 00:24:02,990
happened in Kelley Kentucky and it was

561
00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:05,480
in 1955 it involved a family multiple

562
00:24:10,570 --> 00:24:08,000
families actually and they had a

563
00:24:13,210 --> 00:24:10,580
shootout with aliens they that that's

564
00:24:15,460 --> 00:24:13,220
their story that these these short

565
00:24:17,950 --> 00:24:15,470
aliens with pointy ears seemingly

566
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:17,960
floating up the ground at times with

567
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:20,890
like glowing eyes and claw-like hands

568
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:23,090
just sort of assaulted there at their

569
00:24:27,340 --> 00:24:25,490
farm and these guys went out with their

570
00:24:28,930 --> 00:24:27,350
shotguns and we're shooting at them but

571
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:28,940
they were floating and bouncing and

572
00:24:32,380 --> 00:24:30,320
running away and they couldn't hit these

573
00:24:33,370 --> 00:24:32,390
things like they were just shooting all

574
00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:33,380
over the place

575
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:35,360
they went to the police in Hopkinsville

576
00:24:40,510 --> 00:24:37,210
they came out and did an investigation

577
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:40,520
but yeah these these things are seen to

578
00:24:45,790 --> 00:24:44,090
this day in the area people people

579
00:24:47,770 --> 00:24:45,800
report seeing these things hiding in

580
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:47,780
caves and coming out and terrorizing

581
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:50,570
people but in that region yeah these are

582
00:24:56,140 --> 00:24:52,970
these are known as the yeah the Kentucky

583
00:24:59,560 --> 00:24:56,150
goblins is what they call them but these

584
00:25:03,580 --> 00:24:59,570
this case was actually what Steven

585
00:25:07,090 --> 00:25:03,590
Spielberg wanted to use for et when he

586
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:07,100
initially started working on ET number

587
00:25:10,140 --> 00:25:09,410
one with ET he wanted ET to be more of a

588
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:10,150
horror movie

589
00:25:16,300 --> 00:25:13,250
and number two he wanted ET to look

590
00:25:17,860 --> 00:25:16,310
freaky and he looked at the drawings in

591
00:25:18,259 --> 00:25:17,870
the testimony from the people on Kelly

592
00:25:22,849 --> 00:25:18,269
Hopkins

593
00:25:25,369 --> 00:25:22,859
ET later they decided to make it more

594
00:25:29,709 --> 00:25:25,379
child-friendly changed the story and

595
00:25:32,659 --> 00:25:29,719
changed the the character but that

596
00:25:35,239 --> 00:25:32,669
characters image was then used in

597
00:25:37,849 --> 00:25:35,249
gremlins that was Spielberg's

598
00:25:41,479 --> 00:25:37,859
inspiration for the gremlins character

599
00:25:42,919 --> 00:25:41,489
and also these things were described as

600
00:25:44,959 --> 00:25:42,929
again short they were like three feet

601
00:25:48,259 --> 00:25:44,969
tall or something and they were greenish

602
00:25:50,539 --> 00:25:48,269
in color and this is really the start of

603
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:50,549
the popularization of the term little

604
00:25:58,099 --> 00:25:53,369
green men little green men had been used

605
00:26:01,089 --> 00:25:58,109
earlier in very little-known sci-fi

606
00:26:03,289 --> 00:26:01,099
novels but this was the first mainstream

607
00:26:06,979 --> 00:26:03,299
introduction to the term little green

608
00:26:09,229 --> 00:26:06,989
men so it it has its its hands in a lot

609
00:26:11,690 --> 00:26:09,239
of cool places in pop culture it's a

610
00:26:14,329 --> 00:26:11,700
really interesting case and the thing I

611
00:26:16,009 --> 00:26:14,339
loved about it a lot is that a lot of

612
00:26:17,810 --> 00:26:16,019
people still report this could this

613
00:26:20,449 --> 00:26:17,820
activity seeing these creatures in that

614
00:26:22,639 --> 00:26:20,459
area it's certainly an investigation

615
00:26:26,299 --> 00:26:22,649
we've wanted to go on but I'm also kind

616
00:26:27,799 --> 00:26:26,309
of scared I'm a little scared so I this

617
00:26:30,529 --> 00:26:27,809
is a fun one I just wanted to throw in

618
00:26:34,369 --> 00:26:30,539
it's easy this is a very little-known

619
00:26:37,629 --> 00:26:34,379
guy he's a an alleged contact he

620
00:26:40,039 --> 00:26:37,639
reported reported that he had a lot of

621
00:26:43,609 --> 00:26:40,049
recurring contact with extraterrestrials

622
00:26:45,889 --> 00:26:43,619
was taken aboard spacecraft the name's

623
00:26:51,519 --> 00:26:45,899
Daniel Frye and this happened in the

624
00:26:55,819 --> 00:26:51,529
late 40s and he described being being uh

625
00:26:57,649 --> 00:26:55,829
taken aboard a metal craft that was very

626
00:27:02,539 --> 00:26:57,659
strange I forget how he described the

627
00:27:04,609 --> 00:27:02,549
shape but he touched it and it opened

628
00:27:06,229 --> 00:27:04,619
for him he was able to go on he heard a

629
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:06,239
voice talking to him the voice was very

630
00:27:11,479 --> 00:27:09,450
very mechanical it was there wasn't an

631
00:27:13,849 --> 00:27:11,489
actual extraterrestrial aboard this ship

632
00:27:15,319 --> 00:27:13,859
was actually being remote-controlled by

633
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:15,329
extraterrestrials on a mothership or

634
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:17,129
something but there was like a voice in

635
00:27:21,289 --> 00:27:18,690
the ship that talked to him and he could

636
00:27:22,639 --> 00:27:21,299
interact with and the ship zoomed him

637
00:27:24,379 --> 00:27:22,649
across the country and he could see

638
00:27:28,190 --> 00:27:24,389
everything below him like the metal

639
00:27:29,450 --> 00:27:28,200
metal craft became transparent and he

640
00:27:30,180 --> 00:27:29,460
could see right through it as they were

641
00:27:33,810 --> 00:27:30,190
flying

642
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:33,820
so really interesting far-out stuff but

643
00:27:39,390 --> 00:27:35,890
the cool thing about this case is that

644
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:39,400
and I can't guarantee this because I

645
00:27:44,430 --> 00:27:41,890
haven't seen any 100% confirmation but

646
00:27:46,740 --> 00:27:44,440
researchers have said that this case has

647
00:27:51,860 --> 00:27:46,750
a lot of parallels to flight the

648
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:51,870
navigator so it's conceivable and

649
00:27:58,410 --> 00:27:55,330
possible that his case was used in part

650
00:28:01,890 --> 00:27:58,420
of that story some of the the parallels

651
00:28:04,590 --> 00:28:01,900
were you know the so in flight of the

652
00:28:06,930 --> 00:28:04,600
navigator the the robot air alien that

653
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:06,940
that controls the ship his name is Max

654
00:28:13,020 --> 00:28:11,200
and the voice he heard on the ship

655
00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:13,030
controlling the ship had a very simple

656
00:28:16,890 --> 00:28:15,130
name - Allen although he says it was

657
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:16,900
pronounced along but it was spelled

658
00:28:23,250 --> 00:28:22,210
Allen it spoke very colloquially you

659
00:28:25,260 --> 00:28:23,260
know if you've seen flight of the

660
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:25,270
navigator it's voiced by Paul Rubin

661
00:28:31,860 --> 00:28:29,050
pee-wee Herman very silly very very

662
00:28:33,630 --> 00:28:31,870
human very jokey in the conversations

663
00:28:36,750 --> 00:28:33,640
that he has with the boy who's taken

664
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:36,760
aboard the ship so very similar in the

665
00:28:41,250 --> 00:28:39,010
interactions that he had with this being

666
00:28:44,100 --> 00:28:41,260
whatever it was the shape of the ship

667
00:28:46,620 --> 00:28:44,110
that he described in the way he drew it

668
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:46,630
is nearly identical to the ship that you

669
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:49,440
see depicted in flight of the navigator

670
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:52,450
he just have missing time just like we

671
00:29:01,020 --> 00:28:54,490
see depicted in flight of the navigator

672
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:01,030
and oh the the description and we see

673
00:29:05,100 --> 00:29:02,410
it's shown in flight of the navigator -

674
00:29:06,810 --> 00:29:05,110
being taken in the ship zipped across

675
00:29:09,660 --> 00:29:06,820
the country all the way across the

676
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:09,670
country in a matter of seconds and then

677
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:12,130
zipped back to this place of origin and

678
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:13,930
being able to view everything below

679
00:29:18,300 --> 00:29:15,730
where the metal floor just like became

680
00:29:20,490 --> 00:29:18,310
completely transparent so a lot of

681
00:29:21,900 --> 00:29:20,500
parallels there and this case was only

682
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:21,910
brought to my attention recently so I

683
00:29:25,620 --> 00:29:23,010
want to look more into it I know he

684
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:25,630
authored some books too but it's

685
00:29:28,590 --> 00:29:27,520
interesting case but of course I had to

686
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:28,600
throw that in there cuz I love flight of

687
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:33,030
all right how many of you familiar with

688
00:29:39,780 --> 00:29:36,370
billy meier so billy meier is a very

689
00:29:43,230 --> 00:29:39,790
very controversial case in the UFO world

690
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:43,240
billy meier is a swiss gentleman i

691
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:46,210
believe he's still living but in the 70s

692
00:29:53,910 --> 00:29:50,130
he was very very well known for being a

693
00:29:55,530 --> 00:29:53,920
very outspoken alleged contactee he

694
00:29:57,780 --> 00:29:55,540
reported that he was having frequent

695
00:29:59,780 --> 00:29:57,790
contact with extraterrestrials that they

696
00:30:02,180 --> 00:29:59,790
were taking him aboard their ship

697
00:30:04,830 --> 00:30:02,190
traveling all around even through time

698
00:30:06,300 --> 00:30:04,840
he claimed that he you know met

699
00:30:07,770 --> 00:30:06,310
dinosaurs not met dinosaurs but saw

700
00:30:10,590 --> 00:30:07,780
dinosaurs and was able to take pictures

701
00:30:13,620 --> 00:30:10,600
of dinosaurs with billy meier is is best

702
00:30:16,110 --> 00:30:13,630
known for taking the best UFO photos

703
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:16,120
ever really he would constantly produce

704
00:30:21,810 --> 00:30:19,450
these very clear images of different

705
00:30:27,660 --> 00:30:21,820
different shapes of craft in the sky and

706
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:27,670
that continued for many years and I'm

707
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:29,770
very skeptical of billy meier i will

708
00:30:32,490 --> 00:30:30,970
just say that and i've written

709
00:30:34,740 --> 00:30:32,500
extensively about billy and i will be

710
00:30:37,470 --> 00:30:34,750
covering him on my podcast coming up in

711
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:37,480
the in the next year but there are there

712
00:30:41,580 --> 00:30:39,370
hardcore believers and and people who

713
00:30:43,410 --> 00:30:41,590
have just looked at the piles of

714
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:43,420
evidence that show that he most likely

715
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:46,480
faked a lot of his stuff but i have no

716
00:30:51,420 --> 00:30:48,130
no opinion about whether he faked his

717
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:51,430
photos or not but what i do know is from

718
00:30:56,850 --> 00:30:54,370
his own words are the most damning

719
00:30:59,580 --> 00:30:56,860
evidence against him because he claims

720
00:31:00,510 --> 00:30:59,590
that his photos and you have to see

721
00:31:02,100 --> 00:31:00,520
something suppose and i should have put

722
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:02,110
more in here so you could see them some

723
00:31:08,540 --> 00:31:05,440
of them are really ridiculous but he

724
00:31:10,410 --> 00:31:08,550
eventually came out and said the

725
00:31:14,430 --> 00:31:10,420
extraterrestrials the last time i was

726
00:31:17,910 --> 00:31:14,440
visited told me that my photos are all

727
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:17,920
fake because when i went to have my film

728
00:31:23,910 --> 00:31:20,970
developed the CIA confiscated my film

729
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:23,920
recreated them then those are the film

730
00:31:28,740 --> 00:31:27,010
the photos i got back so the photos I've

731
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:28,750
been showing everybody are fakes that

732
00:31:36,690 --> 00:31:33,840
were created by the CIA it's legit yeah

733
00:31:39,070 --> 00:31:36,700
anyway I don't recognize that photo by

734
00:31:42,970 --> 00:31:39,080
the way what comes to mind I have

735
00:31:45,610 --> 00:31:42,980
ask awesome there you go yeah the the

736
00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:45,620
famous posters I want to believe poster

737
00:31:50,620 --> 00:31:48,080
from the x-files that photo is sourced

738
00:31:53,500 --> 00:31:50,630
from Billy Meyer yeah so now let's move

739
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:53,510
into talking about the possibility that

740
00:31:59,110 --> 00:31:55,850
the government and the military attempts

741
00:32:03,490 --> 00:31:59,120
to influence how we view the topic of

742
00:32:06,460 --> 00:32:03,500
UFOs and extraterrestrials and I don't

743
00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:06,470
know you want to start even begin yeah I

744
00:32:10,870 --> 00:32:08,960
mean so for those who may not know

745
00:32:13,180 --> 00:32:10,880
you've probably seen it all around here

746
00:32:15,730 --> 00:32:13,190
Project Blue Book yeah it was a

747
00:32:18,070 --> 00:32:15,740
government funded program to investigate

748
00:32:21,490 --> 00:32:18,080
UFOs by the Air Force when all the

749
00:32:24,159 --> 00:32:21,500
flying saucers started to be seen they

750
00:32:26,740 --> 00:32:24,169
they wanted to you know look into it

751
00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:26,750
they wanted to calm the public concern

752
00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:29,360
and find prosaic answers for all these

753
00:32:33,340 --> 00:32:32,000
things going on they hire astronomers

754
00:32:35,710 --> 00:32:33,350
they hired all different kinds of

755
00:32:38,230 --> 00:32:35,720
scientists and aviation people to

756
00:32:40,509 --> 00:32:38,240
investigate these cases that people were

757
00:32:42,070 --> 00:32:40,519
reporting so when they started yeah they

758
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:42,080
started the precursor to Blue Book was

759
00:32:47,919 --> 00:32:44,450
called project or project sign he is how

760
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:47,929
it started and project sign at the

761
00:32:52,629 --> 00:32:49,760
conclusion of their investigation

762
00:32:53,710 --> 00:32:52,639
surprisingly concluded and again this is

763
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:53,720
the air force conducting this

764
00:32:58,539 --> 00:32:55,490
investigation official government

765
00:33:01,779 --> 00:32:58,549
investigation into UFOs their conclusion

766
00:33:04,060 --> 00:33:01,789
was that some UFOs the most likely

767
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:04,070
explanation was extraterrestrial

768
00:33:10,450 --> 00:33:07,730
spacecraft our military our government

769
00:33:12,639 --> 00:33:10,460
came to that conclusion there were some

770
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:12,649
people at the Pentagon who weren't happy

771
00:33:19,570 --> 00:33:16,490
with that conclusion and so they killed

772
00:33:22,269 --> 00:33:19,580
project sine and turned it into project

773
00:33:26,250 --> 00:33:22,279
grudge and that name was intentional

774
00:33:30,100 --> 00:33:26,260
and project grudge was issued a mandate

775
00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:30,110
you need to make UFOs seem absolutely

776
00:33:36,430 --> 00:33:32,720
absolutely ridiculous make people

777
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:36,440
reporting UFOs seem like nutballs you

778
00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:38,809
just need to make fun of this make it go

779
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:39,110
away

780
00:33:43,570 --> 00:33:41,570
that was the mandate that they were

781
00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:43,580
given so that's what project grudge did

782
00:33:49,870 --> 00:33:47,120
and like Ryan said the scientists that

783
00:33:50,499 --> 00:33:49,880
were hired to do a scientific study with

784
00:33:53,709 --> 00:33:50,509
this there

785
00:33:55,889 --> 00:33:53,719
the Angela teri and individuals assigned

786
00:33:59,369 --> 00:33:55,899
to this who wanted to do investigations

787
00:34:01,869 --> 00:33:59,379
to figure out what the hell is going on

788
00:34:03,219 --> 00:34:01,879
they got fed up with this because they

789
00:34:05,319 --> 00:34:03,229
said look this is just a sham what are

790
00:34:07,269 --> 00:34:05,329
we doing here like we have these cases

791
00:34:09,759 --> 00:34:07,279
in front of us we know that we need to

792
00:34:11,499 --> 00:34:09,769
look into this and find out number one

793
00:34:13,269 --> 00:34:11,509
what's going on number two who are they

794
00:34:14,889 --> 00:34:13,279
and number three is it a threat to us we

795
00:34:17,619 --> 00:34:14,899
don't know yet we're trying to brush it

796
00:34:19,990 --> 00:34:17,629
under the rug and at the same time we're

797
00:34:22,809 --> 00:34:20,000
just ridiculing the public we're making

798
00:34:24,909 --> 00:34:22,819
people seem you know like they're crazy

799
00:34:25,629 --> 00:34:24,919
and telling the public this is all crazy

800
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:25,639
nonsense

801
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:28,159
when we know for a fact that it's real

802
00:34:33,279 --> 00:34:30,079
and we need to do something about it

803
00:34:36,309 --> 00:34:33,289
yeah so that's when Project Blue Book

804
00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:36,319
came in they decided look this is

805
00:34:42,039 --> 00:34:38,240
ridiculous with grudge we need to do a

806
00:34:45,399 --> 00:34:42,049
real job and so Blue Book then started

807
00:34:47,769 --> 00:34:45,409
and did a pretty a much better job

808
00:34:50,559 --> 00:34:47,779
anyway very extensive it went on for

809
00:34:53,049 --> 00:34:50,569
years and at the conclusion of Blue Book

810
00:34:55,470 --> 00:34:53,059
a cool thing about Blue Book and I know

811
00:34:59,400 --> 00:34:55,480
this doesn't sound that impressive but

812
00:35:03,549 --> 00:34:59,410
they found through their investigation

813
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:03,559
701 cases that they couldn't explain

814
00:35:07,089 --> 00:35:05,690
that remained unidentified and

815
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:07,099
unexplained and that's how they called

816
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:10,730
that unknowns and that's a lot that's a

817
00:35:15,839 --> 00:35:13,490
lot of unexplained cases by Yerkes some

818
00:35:19,390 --> 00:35:15,849
people aren't impressed by that but I

819
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:19,400
mean even if there was just one you know

820
00:35:23,529 --> 00:35:22,160
that's still something to take note you

821
00:35:27,279 --> 00:35:23,539
know but

822
00:35:30,370 --> 00:35:27,289
oh man the so the Robertson panel this

823
00:35:31,630 --> 00:35:30,380
was conducted by the CIA and this is

824
00:35:34,089 --> 00:35:31,640
another one of those things it's just

825
00:35:36,609 --> 00:35:34,099
absolutely ridiculous just like project

826
00:35:39,970 --> 00:35:36,619
grudge because now the CIA is involved

827
00:35:41,349 --> 00:35:39,980
and they it was established and what

828
00:35:44,349 --> 00:35:41,359
their recommendation was to the

829
00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:44,359
government was the same thing we need to

830
00:35:48,839 --> 00:35:46,400
make this thing seem as ridiculous as

831
00:35:53,470 --> 00:35:48,849
possible we need to make fun of people

832
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:53,480
we need to insert ourselves into popular

833
00:36:00,220 --> 00:35:57,650
TV shows and movies to kind of take hold

834
00:36:02,109 --> 00:36:00,230
of this narrative that's what the

835
00:36:03,339 --> 00:36:02,119
Robertsons panel man day was and that's

836
00:36:03,859 --> 00:36:03,349
what they concluded that's what they

837
00:36:05,690 --> 00:36:03,869
wanted

838
00:36:07,970 --> 00:36:05,700
that's why they existed and every time

839
00:36:09,470 --> 00:36:07,980
you see a news report about UFOs or

840
00:36:11,989 --> 00:36:09,480
someone reporting it and you hear the

841
00:36:13,999 --> 00:36:11,999
x-files music behind it or you hear them

842
00:36:17,299 --> 00:36:14,009
the news anchors making fun of the

843
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:17,309
people on the news it all stemmed from

844
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:20,160
the Robertson panel saying we need to

845
00:36:25,099 --> 00:36:22,890
make this look silly and we need to feed

846
00:36:28,130 --> 00:36:25,109
this public perception that these things

847
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:28,140
aren't real and that we have answers for

848
00:36:33,710 --> 00:36:31,440
them and y'all are just crazy yeah

849
00:36:37,700 --> 00:36:33,720
and the Robertson panel they they did

850
00:36:40,489 --> 00:36:37,710
specifically identify using pop culture

851
00:36:51,410 --> 00:36:40,499
popular media to spread this

852
00:36:53,870 --> 00:36:51,420
disinformation really yeah yeah this is

853
00:36:55,339 --> 00:36:53,880
this is documented that this was all of

854
00:36:58,910 --> 00:36:55,349
these official studies these documents

855
00:37:00,499 --> 00:36:58,920
are public mm-hmm yes that's a very good

856
00:37:13,299 --> 00:37:00,509
question though because we don't want to

857
00:37:21,079 --> 00:37:18,759
yeah do you like that they're trying to

858
00:37:22,489 --> 00:37:21,089
well actually what we were just about to

859
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:22,499
talk about that's a really good question

860
00:37:27,739 --> 00:37:25,650
no here's the thing I mean we get asked

861
00:37:30,410 --> 00:37:27,749
this all the time and there is a lot of

862
00:37:32,410 --> 00:37:30,420
conflicting opinions when it comes to

863
00:37:35,150 --> 00:37:32,420
this show because this is a

864
00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:35,160
fictionalized drama that's what it is

865
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:37,529
it's not a real show it's not an

866
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:40,170
accurate truthful representation of what

867
00:37:45,019 --> 00:37:42,930
project Bluebook did it's not a

868
00:37:47,650 --> 00:37:45,029
documentary this is a drama this is a

869
00:37:51,529 --> 00:37:47,660
fiction show it's a for fun show so

870
00:37:53,660 --> 00:37:51,539
they're basing it on real things oh I

871
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:53,670
should mention Jail and Hynek the main

872
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:55,440
character is one of the scientists we

873
00:37:59,479 --> 00:37:57,359
talked about who was in a hired

874
00:38:02,779 --> 00:37:59,489
astronomer who was hired to investigate

875
00:38:04,910 --> 00:38:02,789
was then told to debunk everything was a

876
00:38:07,849 --> 00:38:04,920
staunch skeptic in the whole UFO

877
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:07,859
phenomenon and eventually became a

878
00:38:13,700 --> 00:38:10,650
believer yeah he's the one who we all

879
00:38:15,030 --> 00:38:13,710
heard have heard the term swamp gas to

880
00:38:17,490 --> 00:38:15,040
explain UFOs at

881
00:38:19,410 --> 00:38:17,500
that came from jail and Hynek also the

882
00:38:20,670 --> 00:38:19,420
term close encounters came from jail and

883
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:20,680
Hynek he's the one who created that

884
00:38:26,220 --> 00:38:23,290
system of the close encounter system and

885
00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:26,230
he was in fact brought in to the movie

886
00:38:30,900 --> 00:38:29,200
Close Encounters to be a consultant yeah

887
00:38:33,150 --> 00:38:30,910
actually he has a cameo in that movie he

888
00:38:34,860 --> 00:38:33,160
is in the actual clinic is in that movie

889
00:38:37,140 --> 00:38:34,870
yeah so cool but with blue but my

890
00:38:39,570 --> 00:38:37,150
personal opinion on on history's project

891
00:38:41,070 --> 00:38:39,580
Bluebook show I am psyched to see that

892
00:38:43,350 --> 00:38:41,080
movie I think it's gonna be fun

893
00:38:46,110 --> 00:38:43,360
look I'm not approaching it saying oh

894
00:38:47,820 --> 00:38:46,120
you you you're destroying what Project

895
00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:47,830
Blue Book was you're not accurately

896
00:38:53,430 --> 00:38:51,280
representing what happened here you

897
00:38:55,410 --> 00:38:53,440
can't go into it thinking that you know

898
00:38:56,730 --> 00:38:55,420
it's just like I can't go see a Star

899
00:38:58,320 --> 00:38:56,740
Wars movie and think that I'm learning

900
00:39:01,380 --> 00:38:58,330
about you know what's really happening

901
00:39:03,180 --> 00:39:01,390
in space you know I have to accept that

902
00:39:05,370 --> 00:39:03,190
it's entertainment and go in and let

903
00:39:07,140 --> 00:39:05,380
myself be entertained you know and I'm

904
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:07,150
fine with that and I think it's great

905
00:39:10,380 --> 00:39:08,800
because Project Blue Book is a real

906
00:39:11,940 --> 00:39:10,390
thing and I think this is going to

907
00:39:14,970 --> 00:39:11,950
introduce a lot of people to that and

908
00:39:17,730 --> 00:39:14,980
hopefully people will research and look

909
00:39:19,950 --> 00:39:17,740
into the real Project Blue Book and sort

910
00:39:22,530 --> 00:39:19,960
of gain entry that way we're excited

911
00:39:24,450 --> 00:39:22,540
about the cases they're covering I think

912
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:24,460
it's really interesting they had a talk

913
00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:27,010
here with Paul Hynek J Allen Hynek son

914
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:29,920
who talked about you know his dad would

915
00:39:34,020 --> 00:39:32,170
come home to dinner and tell him about

916
00:39:36,300 --> 00:39:34,030
the case he investigated that day and

917
00:39:39,330 --> 00:39:36,310
that like gave me chills hearing the son

918
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:39,340
of this hero to many of us in the UFO

919
00:39:43,490 --> 00:39:41,440
field talk about what cases he found

920
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:43,500
most compelling most possibly

921
00:39:48,900 --> 00:39:47,170
extraterrestrial and we know that the

922
00:39:50,610 --> 00:39:48,910
Project Blue Book TV show is going to be

923
00:39:52,740 --> 00:39:50,620
covering a lot of those will it be a

924
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:52,750
little fictionalized and dramatized yeah

925
00:39:55,770 --> 00:39:54,610
I mean it's television and that's kind

926
00:39:59,670 --> 00:39:55,780
of the whole point of what we're doing

927
00:40:02,580 --> 00:39:59,680
here is you know what did come first did

928
00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:02,590
the UFO field and phenomenon influence

929
00:40:06,750 --> 00:40:04,480
Hollywood or vice-versa and I don't

930
00:40:09,180 --> 00:40:06,760
think we have in a concrete answer on

931
00:40:11,340 --> 00:40:09,190
that it's very much both they run in

932
00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:11,350
tandem with one another I would say yeah

933
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:13,510
but Project Blue Book is probably the

934
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:14,770
prime example right now

935
00:40:20,100 --> 00:40:17,530
in terms of now this getting out to the

936
00:40:22,980 --> 00:40:20,110
mainstream and I will say I'm more

937
00:40:25,710 --> 00:40:22,990
excited about Project Blue Book show now

938
00:40:27,390 --> 00:40:25,720
that I know that jail and Hynek son is a

939
00:40:29,069 --> 00:40:27,400
consultant on the show so I

940
00:40:31,710 --> 00:40:29,079
that's gonna add a lot to the character

941
00:40:33,779 --> 00:40:31,720
of jaylen Hynek yeah administrative

942
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:33,789
Defense UK's Ministry of Defense is

943
00:40:39,390 --> 00:40:35,920
another one I won't mention because they

944
00:40:41,549 --> 00:40:39,400
had a official UFO part of their

945
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:41,559
Ministry of Defense the UFO desk is what

946
00:40:45,230 --> 00:40:43,690
it was called and Nick Pope who's here

947
00:40:49,380 --> 00:40:45,240
and who's on ancient aliens all the time

948
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:49,390
ran that desk for a few years and they

949
00:40:53,250 --> 00:40:50,890
would they would collect UFO reports

950
00:40:56,220 --> 00:40:53,260
they would do UFO investigations but

951
00:40:59,760 --> 00:40:56,230
they also and Nick his his commented on

952
00:41:04,400 --> 00:40:59,770
this before that they had a policy to

953
00:41:06,839 --> 00:41:04,410
debunk UFO sightings and downplay any

954
00:41:09,210 --> 00:41:06,849
UFO occurrences or UFO stories in the

955
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:09,220
media I mean that was that was their

956
00:41:14,579 --> 00:41:12,160
mandate that was their effort to sort of

957
00:41:17,700 --> 00:41:14,589
make it seem ridiculous in the eye of

958
00:41:19,710 --> 00:41:17,710
the public and make it go away they did

959
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:19,720
that and now Nick Pope is here talking

960
00:41:24,930 --> 00:41:21,970
at UFO conferences about what he

961
00:41:28,589 --> 00:41:24,940
experienced which is you know for us

962
00:41:30,359 --> 00:41:28,599
full circle yeah it really is before we

963
00:41:32,190 --> 00:41:30,369
get in we want to let you guys ask some

964
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:32,200
more questions but before we get into

965
00:41:35,460 --> 00:41:34,089
that I just want to go back and talk

966
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:35,470
about Close Encounters again because I

967
00:41:40,740 --> 00:41:38,410
promised we would but that's an

968
00:41:42,930 --> 00:41:40,750
interesting movie for for many reasons

969
00:41:45,450 --> 00:41:42,940
number one like I mentioned the research

970
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:45,460
that went into that Spielberg did an

971
00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:48,160
incredible amount of research for that

972
00:41:55,049 --> 00:41:51,609
movie he wanted it to be real like ryan

973
00:41:59,130 --> 00:41:55,059
said he worked with Jaylin Hynek and you

974
00:42:02,039 --> 00:41:59,140
know looked at actual UFO cases looked

975
00:42:04,829 --> 00:42:02,049
at stories of alleged contact he wanted

976
00:42:08,250 --> 00:42:04,839
to represent that in the best way that

977
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:08,260
he could and when he put this film

978
00:42:13,349 --> 00:42:11,170
together a lot of what a Hollywood film

979
00:42:15,450 --> 00:42:13,359
films and TV shows do is they tried to

980
00:42:17,579 --> 00:42:15,460
get the support of the military and/or

981
00:42:21,089 --> 00:42:17,589
government if they're going to be using

982
00:42:22,980 --> 00:42:21,099
like any military personnel any jets any

983
00:42:25,620 --> 00:42:22,990
tanks anything like that because the

984
00:42:29,900 --> 00:42:25,630
military is happy to provide that to

985
00:42:32,069 --> 00:42:29,910
certain films and the Air Force and NASA

986
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:32,079
refused to participate in close

987
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:35,410
encounters and there was pressure to

988
00:42:39,660 --> 00:42:38,650
change the script for certain certain

989
00:42:42,210 --> 00:42:39,670
parts of the movie

990
00:42:45,299 --> 00:42:42,220
they didn't like and this is actually a

991
00:42:46,650 --> 00:42:45,309
pretty common story with a lot of films

992
00:42:49,230 --> 00:42:46,660
that deal with UFOs and

993
00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:49,240
extraterrestrials where they're seeking

994
00:42:55,470 --> 00:42:52,569
military support and the military comes

995
00:42:57,390 --> 00:42:55,480
back and says look will participate in

996
00:42:59,700 --> 00:42:57,400
your film but you need to change this

997
00:43:02,460 --> 00:42:59,710
this and this and really what they're

998
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:02,470
doing is wanting to steer the narrative

999
00:43:07,650 --> 00:43:04,450
they want to take control of how certain

1000
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:07,660
things are being presented and in close

1001
00:43:13,620 --> 00:43:10,930
encounters yeah they just didn't didn't

1002
00:43:15,870 --> 00:43:13,630
want to participate if the story if they

1003
00:43:17,940 --> 00:43:15,880
weren't painted in the light that they

1004
00:43:19,770 --> 00:43:17,950
wanted to be painted in when it came to

1005
00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:19,780
the topic of UFOs and extraterrestrials

1006
00:43:23,549 --> 00:43:22,240
it's it's it's interesting and I mean

1007
00:43:26,609 --> 00:43:23,559
not really having to do with the UFO

1008
00:43:29,730 --> 00:43:26,619
topic but staying in the air we know for

1009
00:43:32,549 --> 00:43:29,740
a fact that the Air Force funded the

1010
00:43:34,319 --> 00:43:32,559
movie Top Gun simply as a recruiting

1011
00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:34,329
tool I mean you look at how many people

1012
00:43:38,789 --> 00:43:36,250
joined the Air Force after Top Gun came

1013
00:43:40,950 --> 00:43:38,799
out a recent example of that too is the

1014
00:43:42,930 --> 00:43:40,960
film Battleship yeah that was really a

1015
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:42,940
military recruiting to us and they

1016
00:43:46,890 --> 00:43:45,490
funded these movies so there's that if

1017
00:43:49,260 --> 00:43:46,900
you want to want to get your movie

1018
00:43:51,089 --> 00:43:49,270
funded for any filmmakers out there just

1019
00:43:53,609 --> 00:43:51,099
say it's Pro military that's all you

1020
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:53,619
really got to do well you don't have to

1021
00:43:59,069 --> 00:43:56,290
you know it's not a huge stretch to

1022
00:44:01,079 --> 00:43:59,079
realize that Steven Spielberg is very

1023
00:44:02,940 --> 00:44:01,089
interested in the topic of UFOs dr.

1024
00:44:05,630 --> 00:44:02,950
terrestrials he's done tremendous

1025
00:44:07,799 --> 00:44:05,640
research into the subject any in fact

1026
00:44:10,980 --> 00:44:07,809
attributes his belief in the reality of

1027
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:10,990
UFOs to the strong government resistance

1028
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:14,290
to his films so there's actually I want

1029
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:17,440
to mention there's a panel a lecture

1030
00:44:20,970 --> 00:44:18,250
today

1031
00:44:23,819 --> 00:44:20,980
shortly after this one by our colleague

1032
00:44:25,349 --> 00:44:23,829
Alejandro Rojas called Steven Spielberg

1033
00:44:28,049 --> 00:44:25,359
ufologist I think that's what it's

1034
00:44:32,099 --> 00:44:28,059
called but Steven Spielberg really is an

1035
00:44:34,740 --> 00:44:32,109
apologist he does investigate this topic

1036
00:44:36,539 --> 00:44:34,750
and follows it very closely the

1037
00:44:37,530 --> 00:44:36,549
Independence Day was another one to the

1038
00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:37,540
army and the Department of Defense

1039
00:44:41,910 --> 00:44:39,250
refused to provide support for

1040
00:44:43,770 --> 00:44:41,920
Independence Day they provided the

1041
00:44:45,930 --> 00:44:43,780
filmmakers with a list of changes they

1042
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:45,940
wanted to do specifically related to the

1043
00:44:52,260 --> 00:44:49,690
mention of area 51 and Roswell they

1044
00:44:53,309 --> 00:44:52,270
didn't want to have anything to do with

1045
00:44:55,650 --> 00:44:53,319
anything that said that

1046
00:44:58,289 --> 00:44:55,660
had any knowledge of area 51 mm-hmm does

1047
00:45:00,150 --> 00:44:58,299
the government influence what Hollywood

1048
00:45:01,949 --> 00:45:00,160
is showing us the answer is yes I mean

1049
00:45:03,870 --> 00:45:01,959
they clearly do their motivation behind

1050
00:45:06,359 --> 00:45:03,880
that I don't know I don't know how much

1051
00:45:09,509 --> 00:45:06,369
of it still stems from mandates to

1052
00:45:11,279 --> 00:45:09,519
ridicule this topic but unfortunately it

1053
00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:11,289
still exists today it does and it's

1054
00:45:16,049 --> 00:45:13,599
interesting to think that going back to

1055
00:45:19,410 --> 00:45:16,059
Roswell they tried to cover all this

1056
00:45:21,059 --> 00:45:19,420
stuff up and as they tried to influence

1057
00:45:23,999 --> 00:45:21,069
our perception of what these things were

1058
00:45:26,910 --> 00:45:24,009
they kind of shot himself in the foot

1059
00:45:28,620 --> 00:45:26,920
and they brought these topics into pop

1060
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:28,630
culture because they were trying to

1061
00:45:33,630 --> 00:45:31,119
cover it up so in my opinion they felt

1062
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:33,640
and they felt miserably and I mean is

1063
00:45:38,249 --> 00:45:35,650
the topic of UFOs and extraterrestrials

1064
00:45:40,529 --> 00:45:38,259
clearly isn't going away and it

1065
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:40,539
shouldn't and it certainly hasn't

1066
00:45:43,380 --> 00:45:42,130
deterred Hollywood at all Hollywood

1067
00:45:44,819 --> 00:45:43,390
still has its love affair with this

1068
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:44,829
topic it's still one of the most

1069
00:45:51,449 --> 00:45:47,890
pervasive topics in Hollywood and in

1070
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:51,459
every type of movie really you can you

1071
00:45:54,809 --> 00:45:53,170
can point it to extraterrestrials

1072
00:45:56,939 --> 00:45:54,819
especially children's movies there's a

1073
00:45:58,589 --> 00:45:56,949
lot of children's movies with yes with

1074
00:46:00,930 --> 00:45:58,599
the extraterrestrials it continues up

1075
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:00,940
until today well do you guys have any

1076
00:46:10,049 --> 00:46:06,249
questions in terms of pop culture where

1077
00:46:12,839 --> 00:46:10,059
do you think the attitude that UFOs are

1078
00:46:17,039 --> 00:46:12,849
a malevolent force is it from the

1079
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:17,049
military is it Orson Welles and his War

1080
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:21,130
of the Worlds radio show sure yeah you

1081
00:46:26,849 --> 00:46:24,249
know my personal opinion on that is look

1082
00:46:28,259 --> 00:46:26,859
at the majority of films that have UFOs

1083
00:46:31,709 --> 00:46:28,269
and extraterrestrials they're usually

1084
00:46:35,279 --> 00:46:31,719
invasion films right I mean there could

1085
00:46:36,959 --> 00:46:35,289
be many reasons for that I think

1086
00:46:40,339 --> 00:46:36,969
probably the most logical reason is

1087
00:46:42,509 --> 00:46:40,349
people like to see stuff get blown up

1088
00:46:45,660 --> 00:46:42,519
what's interesting about War of the

1089
00:46:48,959 --> 00:46:45,670
Worlds - is that was a direct commentary

1090
00:46:51,630 --> 00:46:48,969
on invasion of humans upon humans and

1091
00:46:53,819 --> 00:46:51,640
that was his take that what if a outside

1092
00:46:56,699 --> 00:46:53,829
source from another planet came to

1093
00:46:58,349 --> 00:46:56,709
invade so that was kind of the start of

1094
00:47:02,370 --> 00:46:58,359
it right there this whole malevolent

1095
00:47:04,049 --> 00:47:02,380
idea that humans aren't we're not the

1096
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:04,059
only ones out there we may not be in

1097
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:05,010
control of

1098
00:47:10,460 --> 00:47:07,530
the entire universe something might be

1099
00:47:13,580 --> 00:47:10,470
vastly more intelligent and out there

1100
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:13,590
and I I always question when people say

1101
00:47:17,870 --> 00:47:16,290
just because another civilization is

1102
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:17,880
more intelligent that they won't be

1103
00:47:21,350 --> 00:47:18,810
malevolent

1104
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:21,360
that that that doesn't always ring true

1105
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:23,520
with me I understand the concept but it

1106
00:47:32,050 --> 00:47:24,930
doesn't know he's ring true we don't

1107
00:47:35,660 --> 00:47:32,060
know we don't know the intention toward

1108
00:47:38,990 --> 00:47:35,670
malevolence or was it just dispersed it

1109
00:47:41,780 --> 00:47:39,000
as a fantasy hmm it was the disbursement

1110
00:47:43,730 --> 00:47:41,790
yeah absolutely yeah not not not

1111
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:43,740
recognizing the reality at all right

1112
00:47:48,770 --> 00:47:46,050
yeah for sure but Stephen Hawking of

1113
00:47:51,410 --> 00:47:48,780
course you know through through flame on

1114
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:51,420
that fire gas on that fire because he

1115
00:47:55,460 --> 00:47:53,040
was he was a strong proponent and

1116
00:47:58,970 --> 00:47:55,470
repeatedly said that extraterrestrials

1117
00:48:01,010 --> 00:47:58,980
coming here is a bad idea yeah I think

1118
00:48:03,310 --> 00:48:01,020
another misconception too is that the

1119
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:03,320
government knows what we're dealing with

1120
00:48:08,690 --> 00:48:06,690
that they are just keeping it from the

1121
00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:08,700
public and they know exactly what race

1122
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:11,250
is visiting our planet how these crafts

1123
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:13,410
work we've reverse-engineer the

1124
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:15,330
technology all these things when in

1125
00:48:20,020 --> 00:48:17,010
reality I'm not gonna speak for you

1126
00:48:24,290 --> 00:48:20,030
Jason but I don't think they know I

1127
00:48:25,940 --> 00:48:24,300
don't they can control they may not be

1128
00:48:28,190 --> 00:48:25,950
able to control these things going on

1129
00:48:29,540 --> 00:48:28,200
but they can control the information

1130
00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:29,550
that gets out to the public they have

1131
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:32,250
that power to do that and maintain the

1132
00:48:39,890 --> 00:48:34,170
illusion that they have all the answers

1133
00:48:42,799 --> 00:48:39,900
yep yep Scott man talk to somebody

1134
00:48:46,339 --> 00:48:42,809
kind of forming the space force and he

1135
00:48:48,980 --> 00:48:46,349
said after after they left he told me he

1136
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:48,990
said I used to think the government you

1137
00:49:05,420 --> 00:48:56,490
know was really up to you know up to a

1138
00:49:07,069 --> 00:49:05,430
high state of knowledge the government

1139
00:49:09,529 --> 00:49:07,079
is much bigger than we think it's not

1140
00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:09,539
like one overarching thing keeping a

1141
00:49:13,339 --> 00:49:11,609
secret there's so many individuals

1142
00:49:15,410 --> 00:49:13,349
involved with it and have their own

1143
00:49:17,509 --> 00:49:15,420
motivations and intentions I usually

1144
00:49:19,339 --> 00:49:17,519
want to say before before people start

1145
00:49:21,140 --> 00:49:19,349
leaving we invite you to come down to

1146
00:49:24,109 --> 00:49:21,150
our table we have a booth down in the

1147
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:24,119
room and you guys are all awesome so we

1148
00:49:31,249 --> 00:49:27,170
would be more than happy supply limited

1149
00:49:35,390 --> 00:49:31,259
give you guys free shirts so yeah come

1150
00:49:37,370 --> 00:49:35,400
visit us booth 503 yeah yeah okay well I

1151
00:49:40,249 --> 00:49:37,380
came late so I don't know if the free

1152
00:49:41,690 --> 00:49:40,259
shirt applies and tangent of that I'm

1153
00:49:43,579 --> 00:49:41,700
not sure if you covered this but um

1154
00:49:44,930 --> 00:49:43,589
question as far as like what the

1155
00:49:47,900 --> 00:49:44,940
government knows and they're controlling

1156
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:47,910
of information um what's your stance on

1157
00:49:52,519 --> 00:49:50,730
the concept of men and black not Will

1158
00:49:55,249 --> 00:49:52,529
Smith Tommy Lee Jones style but this

1159
00:49:57,710 --> 00:49:55,259
sort of mid-century you know broken

1160
00:49:59,599 --> 00:49:57,720
English coming in asking questions but

1161
00:50:01,489 --> 00:49:59,609
also leaving with more questions than

1162
00:50:03,559 --> 00:50:01,499
they seem to have ass I can't believe we

1163
00:50:11,329 --> 00:50:03,569
didn't talk about men in black

1164
00:50:11,779 --> 00:50:11,339
they must have that's a really good

1165
00:50:15,049 --> 00:50:11,789
question

1166
00:50:17,660 --> 00:50:15,059
I I used to think men in black or just

1167
00:50:19,099 --> 00:50:17,670
hired government agents and out there to

1168
00:50:21,289 --> 00:50:19,109
tell you not to talk about stuff and

1169
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:21,299
possibly they are I talked to a

1170
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:24,210
gentleman recently who wrote a comic

1171
00:50:30,829 --> 00:50:27,690
book called saucer country and he had a

1172
00:50:33,979 --> 00:50:30,839
really interesting theory that Air Force

1173
00:50:37,039 --> 00:50:33,989
officials just a mess with the public

1174
00:50:38,539 --> 00:50:37,049
would go out and do these things they

1175
00:50:41,539 --> 00:50:38,549
would dress his men in black they would

1176
00:50:44,089 --> 00:50:41,549
act really weird and go out there to

1177
00:50:45,979 --> 00:50:44,099
people who reported UFOs and mess with

1178
00:50:48,380 --> 00:50:45,989
them mess with their heads acts like

1179
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:48,390
there were aliens and act like you know

1180
00:50:52,049 --> 00:50:50,249
like you had mentioned that they didn't

1181
00:50:54,509 --> 00:50:52,059
speak good English sure they didn't

1182
00:50:57,959 --> 00:50:54,519
know how to drink a glass of water just

1183
00:50:59,789 --> 00:50:57,969
all these really weird little nuances

1184
00:51:01,650 --> 00:50:59,799
that would make you think I don't think

1185
00:51:02,759 --> 00:51:01,660
they're quite human right so he actually

1186
00:51:06,420 --> 00:51:02,769
thought this is part of this whole

1187
00:51:10,529 --> 00:51:06,430
disinformation campaign to to make these

1188
00:51:12,179 --> 00:51:10,539
people think even more crazy things

1189
00:51:14,009 --> 00:51:12,189
about what they had experienced so

1190
00:51:16,439 --> 00:51:14,019
fascinating I don't know if I truly buy

1191
00:51:18,749 --> 00:51:16,449
into it but an interesting theory well I

1192
00:51:20,429 --> 00:51:18,759
will say that I like to point people to

1193
00:51:22,589 --> 00:51:20,439
Nick Redfern Nick Redfern has done a lot

1194
00:51:24,359 --> 00:51:22,599
of research on men in black so look for

1195
00:51:28,439 --> 00:51:24,369
Nick he's written on pretty much every

1196
00:51:30,449 --> 00:51:28,449
strange topic but people I've been asked

1197
00:51:32,910 --> 00:51:30,459
a lot about men in black like I

1198
00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:32,920
mentioned I've been doing the UFO thing

1199
00:51:37,650 --> 00:51:34,569
I've been a UFO researcher for more than

1200
00:51:40,859 --> 00:51:37,660
10 years now and at some points during

1201
00:51:43,199 --> 00:51:40,869
my career been heavily involved in some

1202
00:51:48,870 --> 00:51:43,209
pretty weird interesting stuff as far as

1203
00:51:52,349 --> 00:51:48,880
like potential craft materials alien

1204
00:51:54,779 --> 00:51:52,359
implants things like that and you know

1205
00:51:59,479 --> 00:51:54,789
we were pretty high-profile too and I've

1206
00:52:05,309 --> 00:51:59,489
never been approached by anybody same

1207
00:52:07,620 --> 00:52:05,319
then I know him we're waiting for that

1208
00:52:10,589 --> 00:52:07,630
day yeah I'd like to add there is a

1209
00:52:13,650 --> 00:52:10,599
story that has not been 100% confirmed

1210
00:52:17,189 --> 00:52:13,660
but when Spielberg first screened Close

1211
00:52:19,739 --> 00:52:17,199
Encounters was it or et to the president

1212
00:52:20,910 --> 00:52:19,749
at the time Oh - Reagan Reagan yeah he

1213
00:52:23,459 --> 00:52:20,920
did a private screening for the

1214
00:52:25,349 --> 00:52:23,469
President and afterwards they're having

1215
00:52:29,039 --> 00:52:25,359
some drinks whatnot and he comes up to

1216
00:52:30,929 --> 00:52:29,049
Spielberg and says to him Wow you have

1217
00:52:34,739 --> 00:52:30,939
no idea how close you actually were with

1218
00:52:37,079 --> 00:52:34,749
that one again we can't say that's a

1219
00:52:39,479 --> 00:52:37,089
hundred percent true but there have been

1220
00:52:42,199 --> 00:52:39,489
well he did one hundred percent say it

1221
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:42,209
it's been confirmed okay it's but the

1222
00:52:47,489 --> 00:52:45,249
debate is whether or not Reagan was

1223
00:52:49,140 --> 00:52:47,499
joking because apparently he had a weird

1224
00:52:50,729 --> 00:52:49,150
sense of humor like that but he did

1225
00:52:53,939 --> 00:52:50,739
speak it was a screening at the White

1226
00:52:55,410 --> 00:52:53,949
House and at the end of the movie Reagan

1227
00:52:57,689 --> 00:52:55,420
stood up and he loved it and he just

1228
00:53:00,749 --> 00:52:57,699
turned to the room and said our dispute

1229
00:53:02,150 --> 00:53:00,759
Oregon said there are a handful of

1230
00:53:04,430 --> 00:53:02,160
people in this room who

1231
00:53:07,609 --> 00:53:04,440
so that everything on that screen is

1232
00:53:08,509 --> 00:53:07,619
absolutely true don't know what to make

1233
00:53:12,859 --> 00:53:08,519
of that maybe the disinformation

1234
00:53:14,900 --> 00:53:12,869
continues up to the president yeah what

1235
00:53:17,630 --> 00:53:14,910
do we get why don't each of you give an

1236
00:53:19,759 --> 00:53:17,640
example of your most compelling story or

1237
00:53:24,890 --> 00:53:19,769
case that you've interviewed that gives

1238
00:53:28,519 --> 00:53:24,900
you your belief well I mean for me I

1239
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:28,529
always come back to military and

1240
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:30,450
government personnel you know because

1241
00:53:34,009 --> 00:53:32,130
I've interviewed so many of those guys

1242
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:34,019
and in some of the Bluebook guys that

1243
00:53:38,269 --> 00:53:35,490
was fascinating talking to some of the

1244
00:53:40,039 --> 00:53:38,279
Bluebook guys but when you have

1245
00:53:43,999 --> 00:53:40,049
government and military personnel who

1246
00:53:46,220 --> 00:53:44,009
you know are firmly just really strongly

1247
00:53:48,769 --> 00:53:46,230
affected by this topic when you bring it

1248
00:53:55,490 --> 00:53:48,779
up and frustrated by how the military's

1249
00:53:58,269 --> 00:53:55,500
handled it so what I'll do is I'll sit

1250
00:54:01,759 --> 00:53:58,279
I'll go with this one Richard Hoover

1251
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:01,769
Richard Hoover started NASA's asked to

1252
00:54:05,569 --> 00:54:03,690
biology program if you're not familiar

1253
00:54:07,819 --> 00:54:05,579
with astrobiology astrobiology is

1254
00:54:12,769 --> 00:54:07,829
essentially looking for life in space

1255
00:54:15,349 --> 00:54:12,779
they study typically how life exists as

1256
00:54:17,660 --> 00:54:15,359
we know at life as we know it and in

1257
00:54:19,370 --> 00:54:17,670
what conditions it can survive so

1258
00:54:21,410 --> 00:54:19,380
they'll pull ice cores out from

1259
00:54:22,460 --> 00:54:21,420
Antarctica and look at extreme

1260
00:54:24,589 --> 00:54:22,470
environments they call them

1261
00:54:26,089 --> 00:54:24,599
extremophiles and find out because that

1262
00:54:29,210 --> 00:54:26,099
gives us a better sense of where we can

1263
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:29,220
look in the universe for life Richard

1264
00:54:31,339 --> 00:54:30,960
Hoover started NASA's astrobiology

1265
00:54:33,559 --> 00:54:31,349
program

1266
00:54:36,109 --> 00:54:33,569
he was an astrobiologist with NASA for I

1267
00:54:40,819 --> 00:54:36,119
want to say 30 plus years the guy knew

1268
00:54:42,890 --> 00:54:40,829
his and he is 100% convinced that

1269
00:54:44,809 --> 00:54:42,900
we have found extraterrestrial life

1270
00:54:47,809 --> 00:54:44,819
granted he's talking microbial extra

1271
00:54:49,700 --> 00:54:47,819
life but still he the guy who started

1272
00:54:52,430 --> 00:54:49,710
NASA's astrobiology program says we

1273
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:52,440
found extraterrestrial life and he said

1274
00:54:56,539 --> 00:54:54,450
that in public he's published papers to

1275
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:56,549
the effect and he still does a lot of

1276
00:55:00,650 --> 00:54:59,119
work in that world with other

1277
00:55:03,319 --> 00:55:00,660
astrobiologists Chandra Wickramasinghe

1278
00:55:05,329 --> 00:55:03,329
is another one but there are multiple

1279
00:55:07,370 --> 00:55:05,339
papers published by mainstream

1280
00:55:09,529 --> 00:55:07,380
scientists in mainstream scientific

1281
00:55:12,349 --> 00:55:09,539
journals showing that we've discovered

1282
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:12,359
extraterrestrial life yet it's still not

1283
00:55:17,460 --> 00:55:15,130
accepted by mainstream science but

1284
00:55:20,460 --> 00:55:17,470
talking to him and he spoke at a

1285
00:55:22,049 --> 00:55:20,470
conference we did before and and had it

1286
00:55:23,009 --> 00:55:22,059
had a the pleasure of spending a lot of

1287
00:55:25,019 --> 00:55:23,019
time with him and that was just

1288
00:55:27,150 --> 00:55:25,029
fascinating coming from a guy who's very

1289
00:55:29,819 --> 00:55:27,160
scientifically minded was just talking

1290
00:55:32,759 --> 00:55:29,829
purely science not about any this other

1291
00:55:35,609 --> 00:55:32,769
complex stuff just science and saying

1292
00:55:37,499 --> 00:55:35,619
look I know what I'm talking about I'm a

1293
00:55:39,420 --> 00:55:37,509
mainstream scientist I kind of done this

1294
00:55:41,370 --> 00:55:39,430
for a little bit and I'm telling you

1295
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:41,380
I've got the proof it's right here we

1296
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:44,170
found extraterrestrial life I think the

1297
00:55:50,609 --> 00:55:46,210
one for me would be the ruas in Bob ley

1298
00:55:53,370 --> 00:55:50,619
case 1994 62 schoolchildren witnessed a

1299
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:53,380
craft land in their schoolyard they saw

1300
00:55:57,390 --> 00:55:55,210
beings come out of this silver craft

1301
00:55:59,789 --> 00:55:57,400
running around the craft some of the

1302
00:56:02,219 --> 00:55:59,799
kids started approaching some of them

1303
00:56:04,049 --> 00:56:02,229
said that they had messages downloaded

1304
00:56:06,690 --> 00:56:04,059
into the brain some of them said that

1305
00:56:08,999 --> 00:56:06,700
they heard nothing they saw nothing some

1306
00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:09,009
of them said you know that they saw the

1307
00:56:13,370 --> 00:56:10,960
aliens running around get back in the

1308
00:56:15,630 --> 00:56:13,380
craft it disappears out of sight and

1309
00:56:19,380 --> 00:56:15,640
they go in till their teachers what

1310
00:56:22,890 --> 00:56:19,390
happened and it was very fascinating

1311
00:56:25,890 --> 00:56:22,900
John Mack the Harvard psychiatrist or

1312
00:56:27,479 --> 00:56:25,900
psychologist excuse me went there talked

1313
00:56:30,479 --> 00:56:27,489
to these kids interviewed all of them

1314
00:56:33,150 --> 00:56:30,489
and it was really fascinating and up

1315
00:56:36,029 --> 00:56:33,160
until today as adults these kids still

1316
00:56:37,410 --> 00:56:36,039
talk about this some of them took it a

1317
00:56:40,289 --> 00:56:37,420
really good way some of them took it a

1318
00:56:42,630 --> 00:56:40,299
really bad way but at the end these were

1319
00:56:44,759 --> 00:56:42,640
62 people who witnessed this thing

1320
00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:44,769
happen and for me it's one of the most

1321
00:56:50,969 --> 00:56:48,400
the most compelling cases documented and

1322
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:50,979
to have john mack of highly respected

1323
00:56:56,069 --> 00:56:54,249
pulitzer prize-winning author involved

1324
00:56:57,839 --> 00:56:56,079
with this and say i believe something

1325
00:56:59,759 --> 00:56:57,849
happened to them not a doubt in my mind

1326
00:57:01,170 --> 00:56:59,769
i have what happened to them i don't

1327
00:57:03,650 --> 00:57:01,180
know i don't pretend you know but

1328
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:03,660
something did and it changed their lives

1329
00:57:09,150 --> 00:57:05,410
all right we've got about one more

1330
00:57:11,130 --> 00:57:09,160
minute okay um just thank you I I'm from

1331
00:57:14,609 --> 00:57:11,140
Oklahoma and I knew I took a course

1332
00:57:17,609 --> 00:57:14,619
there about American Indians and how the

1333
00:57:19,829 --> 00:57:17,619
media definitely had changed how people

1334
00:57:22,769 --> 00:57:19,839
look at things and I think that this is

1335
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:22,779
also very important in this as well do

1336
00:57:29,210 --> 00:57:26,250
you feel like this has also been

1337
00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:29,220
channeled like in comic books and and

1338
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:31,200
other things to have a different kind of

1339
00:57:37,250 --> 00:57:33,930
slant what what we think of is popular

1340
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:37,260
culture negative or positive it's

1341
00:57:41,300 --> 00:57:39,210
certainly a possibility but you know

1342
00:57:44,450 --> 00:57:41,310
like like the government in general the

1343
00:57:47,089 --> 00:57:44,460
government is so big you know things are

1344
00:57:49,010 --> 00:57:47,099
created by content creators you know I

1345
00:57:52,670 --> 00:57:49,020
certainly create what I create without

1346
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any influence by anybody so I think

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there are plenty of creators out there

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doing what they want to do putting

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things in books but I certainly I think

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there are instances and I can't speak to

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it but of books comic books coloring

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books things like that put into pop

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culture by the military right absolutely

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like you just said about you know we're

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right thing to do disinformation so I

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just yeah alright last question sir all

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right I just wanted to comment I have

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actually spoken to William Hoover I am

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dr. John Brandenburg I'll be the next

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absolutely yeah

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and William Hoover's work was actually

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work based on a previous guy named named

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Bartholomew nagi

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who worked with a special group of

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meteorites that are like 1% organic

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00:58:59,800 --> 00:58:56,460
matter they're just loaded with gunk it

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00:59:02,060 --> 00:58:59,810
looks like old lake bottom and

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00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:02,070
apparently it comes from a place in the

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universe that was very earth-like him

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and they're called the c1 or CI

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carbonaceous chondrites and William

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Hoover did excellent work he broke open

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00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:17,550
completely fresh areas of it and found

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00:59:25,070 --> 00:59:22,410
you know algae yeah and so by the way I

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00:59:27,740 --> 00:59:25,080
published an article several years

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00:59:31,579 --> 00:59:27,750
before that where identified that the

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sea I actually come from Mars I told

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00:59:36,630 --> 00:59:33,250
this to William Hoover and he

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00:59:41,820 --> 00:59:36,640
sort of said okay John one controversy

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at a time welcome to our life all right

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well we are out of time thank you so

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00:59:49,740 --> 00:59:47,410
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